Child Benefit and Family Tax Credit why should people without kids pay for people to spourn their off spring?

If you want kids - you should have enough money to bring them up without stupid ammounts of handouts - yet again I really don't believe any of it is used for the kids - sky, lotto, fags and croc shoes along with lots of Mc Meals instead of Sunday Lunch

Child Benefit and Family Tax Credit why should people without kids pay for people to spourn their off spring?
Yes, I agree with you. My husband and myself decided to have a child when we knew that we were able to afford one and have never expected any handouts from anyone. All we get is child benefit, which everyone with children gets. I put it in an account for my daughter. However, whilst i agree with your point, i also would like to add that I don't want my taxes to pay for scroungers who can't be ar$ed to go to work and earn a living. In an ideal world, i wouldn't mind paying to the underprivileged if i knew that the money was going to give the kids a better future but we know that is not the case. As you said, it goes towards parents luxuries and not basics for kiddies. Iwas speaking to a young woman in her twenties a few months ago. She had 5 children and had NEVER worked and was on disability-not that bad that she couldnt keep popping kids out. She earned more in handouts than me and my hubby earn each month by working very hard. She was taking all her kids to Florida Disneyland!!! I like to think that although we have to work hard for what we have, i have a clear conscience and will bring my kids up to be hardworking like we are. Benefits system is all wrong in my opinion, too easy to work the system for fat, idle slobs. Have a star!
Reply:Child benefit and tax credits are also available to those who work. It's income support and job seekers allowance you should be whinging about.
Reply:Meads you obviously have a indepth understanding of sicila system of this country.





Before you make a comment next time please do some research.
Reply:Agree with Now. I am in the same situation as them and other then that tax break I get no handouts. I cook Sunday lunch to even.
Reply:As every parent in the country is entitled to claim child benefit I don't think that every parent takes their children to McDonald's every day of the week.





I don't have children but I don't mind paying tax towards people with children whether they work or not as I would rather it went to children than the children suffered and went without. Unfortunately there are many 'parents' who abuse the system, but there are also a lot of parents who try to get by as good as they can on the joke that is child benefit each week. It barely covers toilet paper!
Reply:What a great question %26amp; one I've wondered about too!! And for the information of those heading for the thumbs down, I'm a parent who receives money for the fact that I chose to have a child!! However, I've never agreed with this payment so since day one, have considered it not my money, but my childs - so it's gone into a trust fund to become useful to her when she is older. It was entirely our choice to become parents. I've never expected or asked for payment for this joy %26amp; privilege. I'm horrified when I hear friends %26amp; colleagues desparing of how they will manage when they are not paid this any longer - and many of them are in well paid jobs! They EXPECT to be financially reimbursed for the privilege of being parents which I find distasteful %26amp; greedy. I'm not well paid but I EARN the money I use to pay for what my child needs.
Reply:You did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning.


Anyway, I thought I'd tell you that the word is "spawn". Oh and it is "amounts". And kids are the offspring of goats.





By the way, my child benefit goes on my daughters Armani, Gucci, Calvin Klein etc. I'm the one who wears the crocs.
Reply:Most people earning less than £300 per week, and working over 35hrs are also eligible for Working Tax credits (although the amount may get probably wont be much) they could make you eligible for discounts at local events/cinema, and other benefits...





TELL EVERYONE THIS - See your CAB for details...
Reply:As somebody who was widowed young and pregnant, the WFTC has been a lifeline to me. What would you prefer, people with children who are working and getting a bit of help, or people who have no intention of going to work, claim the dole, council tax payments, %26amp; free school dinners!
Reply:HEY TOSSER!!!!


i run my own small company and i probably pay WAY more tax than you so what is wrong with getting some of it back then eh???





even a millionare will get family tax credit cos its not based on what you have coming in
Reply:How old are you?


Do you plan to have children ?


Not everybody spends tax credits on the things you think they do,


tax credits are given to help towards the women who usually stay at home to look after the kids. I was working 40 hours a week and had too take a loss in wages to have children


Tax credits are given when you work 16 hours a week or more (which I do) and look after 2 little children I work until I drop into bed at night!!


you shouldnt stereo type people. This country charges taxes for everything its about they gave something back
Reply:Yes dumbo it's called the welfare state! What you should be asking is why a millionaire family living in a mansion can still get child benefit! Along with every other family in the UK whatever their income.
Reply:Those same kids you're so hostile towards will probably one day be contributing towards your pension. Not to mention in many cases they will become your doctors. health workers, police officers, ambulance drivers.


You could ask then, why should people without kids benefit from the skills other people's children provide. Just as stupid.


Your logic is the same as my ex husband uses, he doesn't think he should pay child support incase I spend it on myself. Anything he does cough up very infrequently goes into their bank account for their personal use.
Reply:Child benefit is paid to everyone with children regardless of their income, so there will be rather a lot of families just getting taxes back that they have paid. If/when you have children will you be refusing child benefit???
Reply:US has child tax credit. I have 5 kids and I do get the credit during tax seasons but ya know what...Between my property tax, excise tax, sales tax, income tax federal and state it is still less then what I pay in taxes so guess what I am not getting a free handout. And still I have to spend a couple hundred dollars yearly on supplies for our public schools that my taxes pay for because the state cannot afford tissues, cleaning supplies and dry erase markers for their teachers apparently.
Reply:So, what are you bitter about? Remember children are innocent. They did not ask to be brought into this world - just like yourself. If they need to the community to help take care of them because honestly it would be cheaper than sticking them in foster care anyhow, we should be helping one another. there will come a time in your life when you will require a handout - it doesnt have to come in the form of money. Everyone's been in a "needy" position at some point of their life..
Reply:Whats with all the nasty questions in here today? FYI Family Tax Credit doesnt exist anymore.
Reply:Meads, whats your problem? Sterile? Wife run off with a real man? Maybe your kids think you're a fool.





Bad attitude, I hope the day you need a helping hand I'm there to tell you no.





Child benefit is for all.


Tax credit is for folk who are working and getting crap wages but still are providning for their family.





I hope you go hungry one day.
Reply:good point,ive got a 3year old son and im expecting no2 in 3months time.


Up untill recently ive always worked to support my child and has my partner.





I do like the idea of working tax credits for single parents though as it encourages them to get off their fat lazy backside and work instead of using im a mum as an excuse.


I think that working tax credits should only be givern to parents who go back to work before their child is 5 though,as once the child does turn 5 they are in full time education so the parents have no excuse not to work.
Reply:for your information, it is available to just couples too, you dont have to have children to get it, its to keep people off the dole and into poorly paid jobs, dont you agree its better to work than to be on the dole, and when i had children there was no such thing as tax credits, i paid for them myself thank you, you must be very shallow minded
Reply:How dare you generalise in such a way.I work part time and my husband works full time and we still struggle to afford everyday life with our 3 children.The child benefit we receive goes towards the ongoing cost of shoes and clothing.Did you know that a school uniform for one child(EG 2 Sweaters 2 trousers ,shoes, polo shirts embroidered with school name,PE kit ,trainers and book bags)costs around £150 and that's even when you buy the trousers from asda! My eldest son has just started high school and his blazer alone was £48 .And as for the child tax credit...that doesn't even cover one child's school dinners for a week( one childs dinners £8.25 each).We don't smoke,have no sky TV,don't eat at McDonald's and very rarely go out ,we cannot afford to go abroad on holiday and this year had 5 days camping in the UK.We have a mortgage and pay our council tax as well as all our other taxes.Generally you would find if you looked into this properly that most people with children who work get very little help.It is those that doss around and never lift a finger that get all the money.And that includes those without children.


And don't forget who will be contributing to the economy when you are old and grey and wanting your free bus pass.Someone has to have children and I love mine even though they cost a fortune!.


As an after thought the point you are making is that we shouldnt have children if we cant afford them but over the last 11 years our tax bills have risen 100% but not our income so are you suggesting if financial circumstances change the children should be disposed of? Life is not as black and white as you would wish.
Reply:I think the film 'children of men' makes the point against your argument quite nicely.





Child tax credits go toward 75% of childcare fees. Then you get working tax credits to top up low wages - sadly there aren't enough yuppie jobs or football playing posts to go round.





I can't add anything else to the excellent replies you've received but I can ask, do you really think people such as nurses and carers shouldn't be allowed to have children because they get low wages for a damn hard job that they are proud to do (helping others is rewarding).





I get what you're trying to say but you shouldn't take it to hard working people - take it to long term dole wallers (and I mean those don't want to work)
Reply:MY MY aren't you a bundle of fun....





It's not just the working class who get handouts you know.


Child Benefit is available to anybody with children regardless of income..
Reply:If you applied that theory to everything we'd have no welfare state.
Reply:these children will be working soon and their taxes will be paying for our pensions.
Reply:Ok did you mean benefits?


As is...when the parents would rather sit on their a*se all day watching Jeremey Kyle than get a job?


You'll notice in places like council estates, the amount of cars on the drive and sky dishes. It's ridiculous!


They're basically living off everybody else's hard work.


My mum works in a primary school, and the kids whos mums and dads don't have jobs are the ones who arrive scruffy. The parents just sit around smoking and going to the pub. The kids don't even get clean clothes.








If the question you asked was right then I don't agree.


I think you'll find the majority of parents put that money to good use. My mum and dad both work for a living and we don't have sky, they don't smoke and I have Sunday dinners. Ok, I have crocs but it's because they're cheap!


I think you'll find it's the spongers who are like that.


I hope that one day when you have kids, you'll remember this and realise how wrong you were.
Reply:I just knew someday, someone would find a gripe about this kind of help for others.And I can just about tell you which religion does the most griping on it. They go to church just about every Sunday and give their tithe and offer their labors they even live in a close community setting with close ties to family, friends, they even own their own hometown business, all snug and drive nice, new and expensive vehicles, they have it made with their private schools and private clubs and private conversations about the poor kids and how unschooled they are, throwing eggs at their houses and not get caught but we know who you are. all snug in that town you bought.
Reply:I agree with Barbie she has hit the nail on the head.


People who earn up to 30K or so are entitled.
Reply:What's up - you firing blanks?





One of these days you might find yourself claiming for your own kids, or do you earn enough money to raise them yourself.





Child benefit is a legal entitlement - the richest of people can claim it.
Reply:The rich get Bush's tax cut...............the poor need something,,but don't worry the rich still get more
Reply:Damn right - If you can't feed em don't breed em.

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